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sandeepkd 5 hours ago [-]
Its probably a good idea to standardize things for everyones benefit and thats where the protocol key word kicks in.
Tangentially on a personal note I find it offensive to use the word protocol when proposing a solution in the beginning at this early stage. My reservations extend all the way to MCP as well, glueing things together to make it work for your own use case isn't a worthy candidate to be a protocol. There is no mention of any committee members other than Recruitics which makes it hard to capture all the use cases, concerns, long term vision from different parties.
fraywing 2 hours ago [-]
Hey there, totally understand your sentiment.
We have seven other companies involved that are listed on the website and have provided feedback for general use-cases -- given adoption curves are super hard, early traction we have around OJCP is encouraging to me. A lot more to do, but any help or ideas are greatly appreciated.
I'm chatting with other OSS organizations to help make sure this lands in no specific organizational control.
sandeepkd 1 hours ago [-]
I value the effort to standardize things and make them consistent, benefits everyone. I do appreciate you for taking lead here. However more than objection my worry is about the "PROTOCOL" key word being diluted. Imagine if everyone runs with it to solve their motivated use cases.
I was hoping this was for agents to consume job data so they can perform the job.
How does the recruiting industry see itself surviving if it is just going to turn into "AI said this guy"?
fraywing 2 hours ago [-]
Ah, yeah. This is definitely more focused on creating structure to help reduce the "ATS black hole" problem as well as solve for candidate quality signals. It's anticipating headless ecosystem for hiring humans.
It's less about "AI said this guy" and more about proof, identity, and hopefully making getting seen as a candidate easier. Right now the signal/noise problem is progressively making that more difficult.
zackmorris 4 hours ago [-]
Can you perform a public service and track which companies reject/ghost the most applicants?
That way job seekers can save a lot of time by blacklisting those companies.
Because I'm hearing horror stories of people applying for hundreds of jobs and barely receiving any responses, much less rejection letters. Which should probably be an illegal practice for any tax ID holder that lists job openings publicly.
fraywing 2 hours ago [-]
Yeah, it's becoming challenging. A lot of that is because talent acquisition teams are either too heavily reliant on poor automation or they are the bottleneck in communication because of the application volume. Trying to fix that by making responses more deterministic and a first-class citizen. So if you are using a claw or Claude to apply, you get the ability to poll over the status yourself in a native way.
Tangentially on a personal note I find it offensive to use the word protocol when proposing a solution in the beginning at this early stage. My reservations extend all the way to MCP as well, glueing things together to make it work for your own use case isn't a worthy candidate to be a protocol. There is no mention of any committee members other than Recruitics which makes it hard to capture all the use cases, concerns, long term vision from different parties.
We have seven other companies involved that are listed on the website and have provided feedback for general use-cases -- given adoption curves are super hard, early traction we have around OJCP is encouraging to me. A lot more to do, but any help or ideas are greatly appreciated.
I'm chatting with other OSS organizations to help make sure this lands in no specific organizational control.
Btw I am not sure if the other companies involved are listed on the publicly listed pages or internal one, would be good idea to check it again. All I checked was https://github.com/ojcp-org/ojcp/blob/main/GOVERNANCE.md
https://github.com/ojcp-org/ojcp/discussions
How does the recruiting industry see itself surviving if it is just going to turn into "AI said this guy"?
It's less about "AI said this guy" and more about proof, identity, and hopefully making getting seen as a candidate easier. Right now the signal/noise problem is progressively making that more difficult.
That way job seekers can save a lot of time by blacklisting those companies.
Because I'm hearing horror stories of people applying for hundreds of jobs and barely receiving any responses, much less rejection letters. Which should probably be an illegal practice for any tax ID holder that lists job openings publicly.